The Changing DB Endgame

Autumn Conference – Venue TBC

Wednesday 4th December 2024

11:15 –19:15 GMT

Running On, Running Off OR Running Out

DB Schemes find themselves sitting on a large aggregate surplus, due to higher interest rates and not having been fully hedged in many cases. Profound questions emerge regarding the ownership of that surplus, and whether it can be shared effectively between sponsors and members to the greater benefit of the economy at large.

An array of expert practitioners ar the conference will consider how to achieve  the joint objectives of securing DB scheme liabilities, maximising surplus return opportunities and wider societal gains, and the produc6s and strategies that are available and emerging to ensure the broadest choices and best outcomes.

In common with all SGPE Masterclasses, the conference will be highly interactive, with free and frank exchanges of views, a focus on original and thought-provoking content, and with participants encouraged to engage and contribute proactively throughout.

Chair

Mark Hedges

Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund

Keynote Speaker

Chris Pond

Chair
Financial Inclusion Commission

Agenda
Devil's Advocates

Devil’s Advocates TBC

A panel of Devil’s Advocates will be on duty for the course of the afternoon.

They will be available to pose challenging questions to any of the conference speakers when invited to do so by the Moderator of each session. They will provide an end of day summary of the main learning and action points from the conference.

10.30 – 11.00
Meet & Greet
11.00 – 11.15
Welcome & Introduction

Conference Chair:
Mark Hedges
Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund

Programme Director:
Stephen Glover
Director
SG Pensions Enterprise

11.15 – 11.55
Keynote Presentation: Implications for Pensions of the New Labour Government

Chris Pond
Chair of the Financial Inclusion Commission
Former Labour Pensions Minister

A Labour government has just been elected in the UK with a landslide majority and a commitment to economic growth. Of vital importance will be how this growth agenda translates into pensions policy and regulation, especially for DB schemes. 

Former Labour Pensions Minister Chris Pond will describe how pensions policy is formulated at a governmental level, the pensions initiatives that the new government is likely to pursue, and the implications for DB schemes in particular of the Labour programme.

11.55 – 12.20
Presentation: The Endgame Choices Available to DB Schemes

Dominic Byrne
Head of DC Strategy EMEA
BlackRock

With improved funding positions, the choices available to DB sponsors and trustees have increased markedly. Our speaker will present the new endgame landscape and discuss in detail the pros or cons of the various available routes, the trade-offs between guaranteeing benefits and generating excess returns, and the costs involved for the corporate sponsor. 

Among others, the merits of a variety of on-balance sheet and off-balance sheet solutions will be discussed: Buy-In, Buy-Out, Consolidation Models, Capital-Backed Journeys, and indefinite Run-On.

12.20 – 13.30
Lunch
13.30 – 14.10
Panel Discussion: The Solution Providers Take the Stand

Moderator:
David Porter
DC Solutions Specialist
Independent

Dominic Byrne
Head of DC Strategy EMEA

BlackRock

John Chilman
Chief Executive
Railpen

Anish Rav
Director of Pension Policy

Capita Pension Solutions

Eve Read
Senior Director of Strategic Delivery
Smart Pension

Speakers from among an insurer, a consolidator, a fiduciary Manager, a specialist capital provider, and a pensions consultant, will each make the case for their recommended endgame journey among the various approaches available, from indefinite run-on to full risk transfer. They will discuss the decisions facing both sponsors and trustees to achieve their best endgame result.

14.10 – 14.30
Presentation: The Vital Role of Fixed Income

Dominic Byrne
Head of DC Strategy EMEA
BlackRock

Fixed Income in its various forms, especially gifts and corporate credit, is the indispensable asset class for closed DB schemes. Our speaker will describe the composition of the ideal mix among fixed income investments across the various endgame scenarios. 

14.30 – 15.10
Panel Discussion: DB Scheme Sponsors Have Their Say

Moderator:
David Porter
DC Solutions Specialist
Independent

Dominic Byrne
Head of DC Strategy EMEA

BlackRock

John Chilman
Chief Executive
Railpen

Anish Rav
Director of Pension Policy

Capita Pension Solutions

Eve Read
Senior Director of Strategic Delivery
Smart Pension

The ultimate choice on the destination of a DB scheme, especially the decision to run on and not pursue risk transfer in the short term, will be driven by the scheme sponsor rather than the trustee. 

A panel of corporate CFOs, HR directors and key advisers will discuss their main priorities for the governance and management of their DB pension scheme and how they weigh these up in the context of the overall financial objectives for their company.

15.10 – 15.30
Presentation: Transitioning to a Run-On Portfolio

Mary Cahani
Head of DC Clients

Invesco Asset Management

Georgina Taylor
Head of Multi-Asset Strategies

Invesco Asset Management

An increasing number of DB schemes are actively pursuing run-on strategies, whether because full risk transfer opportunities are not available in the short term and/or they see opportunities for extracting surplus over a longer investment horizon for the benefit of the corporate sponsor and scheme members. 

Our speaker will examine the factors that will be needed to achieve effective run-on and surplus management, including the level of funding required, legislation to enable annual distribution of surpluses, determining the composition of a target run-on portfolio and the efficient transition towards it. 

15.30 – 16.00
Coffee Break
14.55 – 15.35
Roundtable Discussions
The Key Endgame Decision Factors

Moderators: TBC

Following a scene-setting introduction, a Moderator at each table will lead a discussion on the key decision factors that trustees and sponsors need to take into consideration when deciding on the endgame choice for their DB pension scheme. These could include size of scheme, funding level, the ratio of deferred to active members, sponsor priorities and costs among others. 

Several of the Moderators will be called upon to summarise their conclusions to the overall conference. 

16.40 – 17.20
Panel Discussion: The Role of Illiquids in DB Schemes

At this point in time, illiquid investment strategies within DB schemes will take on one of two forms: 1) divesting or running off the alternatives portfolio as part of a de-risking strategy in preparation for buy-out/buy-in; or 2) retaining or expanding the alternatives portfolio in pursuance of a run-on strategy over an extended investment horizon. 

Speakers will consider both these objectives and discuss the products and strategies available to achieve them. 

17.20– 17.30
Devil's Advocates' Summary

The Devil’s Advocates will offer their summary and main takeaways from the conference’s proceedings.

17.30 – 17.40
Chair's Closing Remarks
17.40 – 19.15
Drinks Reception
Speakers

Fiona Brown

Group Head of Pensions & Benefits
Rolls-Royce

Dominic Byrne

Head of DC Strategy EMEA
BlackRock

Tegs Harding

Chair - Investment Committee
L&G Master Trust

Janette Weir

Managing Director
Ignition House

John Chilman

Chief Executive Officer
Railpen

Andy Dickson

Workplace Pensions Individual
Independent

Mark Hewiston

Head of Client Development
Wealth at Work

David Hutchins

Lead Portfolio Manager
AllianceBernstein

Sofia Perkonigg

Trustee Director
UBS Pension Scheme

Anish Rav

Director of Pension Policy
Capita Pension Solutions

Eve Read

Senior Director of Strategic Delivery
Smart Pension

Julie Richards

Group Director of Pensions
Walgreens Boots Alliance

Sophia Singleton

Head of DC
XPS Pensions Group

Richard Smith

Pensions Professional
Independent

Rob Yuille

Head of Long-Term Savings Policy
ABI

Sponsors
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Venue

The Pensions Asset Allocation Summit will be held at Plaisterers’ Hall in London. It is located opposite the Museum of London.

Nearest Tube Stations

St Pauls, Moorgate & Barbican

Nearest Train Stations

Moorgate, Farringdon, Liverpool Street

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Mark Hedges

Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund

Mark is a Trustee and former Chief Investment Officer of the Nationwide Pension Fund, where he had responsibility for the performance and implementation of the asset allocation strategies agreed with the fund investment advisors.

Previously, he led the establishment of Nationwide’s Covered Bond programme and its Silverstone RMBS Master Trust funding vehicle. In addition, Mark has securitised UK Student Loans and a synthetic corporate bond structure along with structured transaction and investment in various ABS instruments. Past experience also includes leading the origination and structuring of social housing, PFI and commercial real estate debt transactions.

Chris Pond

Chair
Financial Inclusion Commission

Chris is a former Pensions Minister, who now serves as Chair of the Financial Inclusion Commission, of the Lending Standards Board, of the Equity Release Council Standards Board and of The Money Charity. He is an Independent Director of the Current Account Switch Service (Pay.UK) and of Cape Claims Services, and is a trustee of GambleAware and the Money and Mental Health Policy Institute.

Chris is a member of the Treasury FinTech Delivery Panel. He has been Chief Executive of two national charities and chair or trustee of many others and was formerly Director of Financial Capability and Head of Consumer Affairs of the Financial Services Authority.

Fiona Brown

Group Head of Pensions
Rolls-Royce

Fiona is currently Group Head of Pensions & Benefits at Rolls-Royce Plc. Her role is a hands on one in the UK, with fiduciary and strategic responsibilities outside the UK. Fiona is also global lead on Financial Wellbeing strategies. Fiona has previously held in house Pensions and Reward lead roles at Thomas Cook Plc and Electricity North West.

Prior to her in-house roles, Fiona spent 14 years at the Big 4, in consultancy roles. Fiona’s passion is financial wellbeing, improving general numeracy skills and better supporting people in making effective short and long term financial decisions.

Janette Weir

Managing Director
Ignition House

Janette is one of the founding directors of Ignition House. She has more than twenty years research experience and brings a broad range of research and consultancy skills and experience from her previous roles. Janette is responsible for new business development and is Head of the Financial Services and Public Sector Practices. She started her career as an economist at the Department of Work and Pensions, where she spent five years advising ministers and policy makers. This gave her a solid grounding in research skills and an understanding of the public sector.

She moved to be Chief Economist at the Association of British Insurers to build detailed knowledge of the insurance sector. From there, she led a team of thirty analysts covering all aspects of Financial Services as Head of UK Financial Services Research at McKinsey and Company. She was part of a pan-European team, which gave an international flavour to her research skill set. She also worked in a small team for a year to develop and implement McKinsey’s knowledge management strategy.

As Director of the Financial and Public Sector Practice at IQ Research, she built a solid practice of bespoke and syndicated work for financial services companies, economics consultancies, regulators, and trade associations. Janette is a well-known industry expert on the life and pensions sector, and often writes articles for the trade press.

John Chilman

Chief Executive Officer
Railpen

John joined as Chief Executive Officer and an Executive Director of Railpen, in June 2019, having previously served for 12 years as a Director of the Railways Pension Scheme Trustee Company, and Chair for the last five years. John is also an Independent Trustee of the Nestle UK pension fund.

 John is a Chartered Accountant by qualification, and was previously Group Head of Pensions at National Grid. Prior to that John held senior financial, commercial and pension positions at a number of large companies, including Pricewaterhouse Coopers, South Western Electricity, Shell, HBOS and First Group.

David Hutchins

lead Portfolio Manager – multi asset solutions
AllianceBernstein

David Hutchins is a Senior Vice President and Head of AB’s Multi-Asset Solutions business in EMEA. He is responsible for the development and management of multi-asset portfolios for a range of clients.
 
Hutchins joined the firm in 2008 after spending two years at UBS Investment Bank, where he was responsible for devising and delivering innovative capital markets risk-management solutions for pension schemes.
 
Prior to that, he spent 13 years at Mercer, where he served as a European principal and scheme actuary, providing trustee and corporate advice to a range of UK pension funds and their sponsors. Hutchins holds a BSc in mathematics and a PGCE from the University of Bristol. He has chaired the Investment Management Association’s Defined Contribution Committee and formerly chaired the defined contribution industry working group for the UK government’s “defined ambition” project.
 
Hutchins is a Fellow of the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries in London. 

Julie Richards

Group Director of Pensions
Walgreens Boots Alliance

Since 2012, Julie has been Director of Pensions at Walgreens Boots Alliance, with responsibility for the company’s pension and retirement policy. Her role includes monitoring market and regulatory requirements and supporting the business in ensuring appropriate funding mechanisms and governance arrangements are in place. In the UK, such arrangements include a large closed DB pension scheme and a large contract-based DC scheme, with accompanying AE obligations. 

Prior to joining WBA, Julie held similar roles in the UK with a number of multinational employers, some of which included a broader remit to include other benefit and reward elements as well as direct involvement in working with trustees and managing both DB and DC trust-based pension schemes. 

Sophia Singleton

Partner & Head of DC
XPS Pensions Group

Sophia joined XPS Pensions Group in June 2020 to lead their DC business, helping clients deliver top class DC services to their members. Prior to that, she led Aon’s DC Consulting business. Sophia has over 24 years’ experience in the UK pensions industry and advises corporates and trustees on a range of DC pension solutions, developing and delivering DC strategies that optimise scheme design, ensuring effective governance and improving member outcomes. She is a well-known industry and media commentator on DC market developments and feels passionately that we must tackle short-term financial resilience as well as deliver better long-term post-retirement products, if we’re going to help today’s workforce to retire with the security and lifestyle they want; she is regularly quoted in the press and presents on DC issues at industry events.

Rob Yuille

Head of Long Term Savings Policy
Association for British Insurers (ABI)

Rob is Head of Long-Term Savings Policy at the Association of British Insurers. Since joining in January 2012 he has led the ABI’s work on customers’ retirement choices, responding to pension freedoms, and policy and governance around pensions dashboards.

He now oversees long-term savings policy areas from automatic enrolment to social care, and from investment platforms to Defined Benefit pensions. He previously worked at the Money Advice Service, the FSA and in policy and public affairs roles in the voluntary and private sectors.

Blackrock’s purpose is to help more and more people experience financial well-being. As a fiduciary to investors and a leading provider of financial technology, we help millions of people build savings that serve them throughout their lives by making investing easier and more affordable.

CONTACT

James Rowe
Managing Director

For more information, visit Blackrock’s website here.

Capita Pension Solutions is one of the UK’s leading pension firms. We partner with clients to provide an unrivalled breadth of services across Pension Administration, Data Solutions, Software and Consulting. We’ve been looking after people’s pensions for nearly 50 years, across pension schemes of all shapes and sizes. Our broad range of services means we are perfectly positioned to support employers, whatever their challenge. Our teams use their experience, insight, expertise, and the latest technology to deliver personalised end to end solutions to meet all our clients’ pension needs. 

CONTACT

Jeanette Smith
Senior DC Pension Consultant

Jason Becker
Senior Investment Consultant

For more details, visit Capita’s website here.